Boot your dosey missus out and get a proper car Matt
Boot your dosey missus out and get a proper car Matt
hahahaOriginally Posted by Superman
Boot your dosey missus out and get a proper car Matt
a punto isnt at home doing 130 anyway (well mine isnt) so wouldnt even factor in a 30-130 pull and i lose interest anyway at speeds anywhere near 3 figures as i like my licence. i tend to play around at the lower end of the scale where the punto is at its best but we know its no 0-60 in 4.5 seconds jobby. anyway this thread was about glanza but as we're talking GTs compared to higher powered cars, allow me to retort......
punto seb 4 with 200bhp is 200 per ton (funnily enough). i cannot for the life of me see how weight doesnt matter against another car with 280bhp because as standard yes a GT would be mullered if the car in question also weighed 1000kg but most weigh at least 1250kg many are nearer 1300kg some are even lardier than that 1400, 1500, 1600kgs. taking 1400kg as a conservative ballpark youre already down to a level playing field of exactly the same 200 per ton. you could have a million horsepower but if your trying to tow Jupiter behind you then youre screwed.
in this example it IS down to gearing and the driver (plus the road conditions if the 280 car has all the 4 wheel trickery to baby sit him). the GT wouldnt perhaps pull on the other car but it would stay with it no prob and besides it always easier chasing than leading - christ my weedy 1.4 with less than half the horsepower of your evo dan could stay with a 2 litre megane 230. make the punto say for arguments sake 500kgs and still try telling me weight doesnt matter.
anyway at least glanza boy could drive straight past the next petrol station without wincing eh?
Last edited by clarkster; 8th February 2011 at 10:10.
a punto isnt at home doing 130 anyway (well mine isnt) so wouldnt even factor in a 30-130 pull and i lose interest anyway at speeds anywhere near 3 figures as i like my licence. i tend to play around at the lower end of the scale where the punto is at its best but we know its no 0-60 in 4.5 seconds jobby. anyway this thread was about glanza but as we're talking GTs compared to higher powered cars, allow me to retort......
punto seb 4 with 200bhp is 200 per ton (funnily enough). i cannot for the life of me see how weight doesnt matter against another car with 280bhp because as standard yes a GT would be mullered if the car in question also weighed 1000kg but most weigh at least 1250kg many are nearer 1300kg some are even lardier than that 1400, 1500, 1600kgs. taking 1400kg as a conservative ballpark youre already down to a level playing field of exactly the same 200 per ton. you could have a million horsepower but if your trying to tow Jupiter behind you then youre screwed.
in this example it IS down to gearing and the driver (plus the road conditions if the 280 car has all the 4 wheel trickery to baby sit him). the GT wouldnt perhaps pull on the other car but it would stay with it no prob and besides it always easier chasing than leading - christ my weedy 1.4 with less than half the horsepower of your evo dan could stay with a 2 litre megane 230. make the punto say for arguments sake 500kgs and still try telling me weight doesnt matter.
anyway at least glanza boy could drive straight past the next petrol station without wincing eh?
So why compare a small hatch to something like a big saloon??
It matters a whole lot when its an Arial Atom, but less when its something more normal or an Evo, or even better an R35 GTR... 1700+ kilo, its still FAF and thats down to delivery of torque and BHP and alot to do with transmission if your going from a standing start, capacity is a big factor too. Im not discounting BHP per tonne, but thats what alot of people always cling too in discussions like these and it isnt the deciding factor. Most of the time its a completely daft scenario where one car cant win, or is loosing before the moron clicks record.
If you take a Seb4 GT, 200bhp and ~200hp/per tonne, and for arguments sake the Evo VII in the video, stock output 276hp and weight is 1400kilo, funnily enough is ~200hp per tonne, at no point will the Punto snatch any kind of lead, or hold one, its not simple to illustrate, but it just wont.
The Glanza in the vid must be over 250hp, but its not a missile like some cars on the tube. But in the one run they have, the GLanza is shifting before the Evo makes a sound, jump start, drive through penalty get back on the fail train
Yeah the fuel consumption ****s me off but the smiles per gallon batter anything else i could afford or want.
Power weight ratio is everything. A 250hp with easily pull gaps on an 280hp evo, subaru sti and even keep up with an RS6 (and so on) from 30-130.
i assumed when you talked of a 280bhp car you were referring of course to youre typical road car hence "big saloon". theres no small supermini around with 280bhp so to assume you meant otherwise would have been silly. In the real world on the road youll be lucky to end up with the prospect of a tussle with a 280bhp atom or camaro etc etc. Ive never seen one, dont think they come in 280bhp outputs and besides the power to weight ratio of those things is mind boggling ie: 1100bhp per ton.
When someone in these circles says 280bhp standard car to me I immediately think of subarus, legacys, tuned audis, evos etc. ie: ya big 4 door saloons and usually forced induction. Surely everyone else thinks of the same familiars cars too as they are a good benchmark that people can make a sort of measurement against. Our heads wouldnt even get round the go on offer from an atom or westfield.
regarding bigger engines. ive already covered this. the GT is not even a 1.4 and the glanza well whats that a 1.3 and youre talking about bigger engines having greater terminal velocity? I just like seeing so called performance cars with bigger engines having there big bottoms smacked. ive always liked that about small cars with small engines.
But by the same analysis go slap a 2.0 into the glanza and stand well back !
its easy to say that an evo driver, embarrassed by a small car giving him a damn good run for his money would easily be able to go out and pay a few grand over for another 200+bhp in tuning to then beat the glanza. thats a given across the board and is a no brainer. youll go round in circles with that argument-its not the point here. its the fact that given the high esteem cars like the evo have in the car world its quite amusing to see them (whether the Evo in the vid was tuned or not we dont know) being surprised by a small 1.3 with relatively low tech drivetrain. and i do believe the glanzas are 16v - christ the old GT is only 8v so some might say its at even more of a technology disadvantage in a duel but thats all part of the fun if a higher powered car cant shake you.
the forthcoming revised Renault Clio RS 1.6 turbo with 220ps as standard looks set to follow in the footsteps of the Glanza even before aftermarket tuning. 300+bhp hot hatches will soon become the new 200bhp.
Last edited by clarkster; 10th February 2011 at 15:41.
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