I bet if it was anyone other manufacturers manifold it would their faultOriginally Posted by GT3turbo
Ill get some pics to prove it!
Going to move the E/WG and also weld in some supports, its my fault its cracked as the oil cooler was touching and stressing the weld.
Should only take a few days to sort so still might get on the rollers.
Adi
I bet if it was anyone other manufacturers manifold it would their faultOriginally Posted by GT3turbo
Well it lasted a year without the oil cooler pushing on it sooo, yea it is my fault.
Adi
The reason it is cheaper is because you buy raw materials. Not packaging, branding, storage or research and development costs. It was developed by enthusiasts so no greedy fooker wants your moneyOriginally Posted by Debo
The reason not everyone uses it is because it takes time to work out how to build it properly. Enter DrEvil! he is the man who has brought this out of the darkness. A normal tuner making money from it would charge loads to build it to the right spec then install and map it.
The whole thing about tuners only mapping systems they are comfortable with seems a bit lazy on there part. If a mapper cant be arsed to get his head round where the settings are in MS(cus this is what it boils down to) im not sure i want him mapping my car at all..! Its no more complex than any of the systems i have seen. In fact considerably simpler than the piggy back poo like e-manage.
The way i see it. Years ago peope used to tune carbs on a reguler basis and advance timing with dizzy caps. This was undertaken by enthusists before Electronic fuel injection arrived then it wasnt an option anymore. Now its possible to tune again but everyone shits themselves cus no one remembers how to do it and apparently you WILL blow your engine up!!
Granted some people just want to pay there money and get there power but they arnt the sort of people contemplating MS so im sure they will carry on making good power on sebs. For the ones who want to research and build a fast punto MS is there, affordable and waiting.
jimn
Worth noting that the BOSCH Motronic system is standalone...
Gordan at Streetracers said to me he will map anything if he has or can be provided with the software, a mapper doesnt need to be a pro with one specific system just know what the specifics of mapping an engine is, im sure once you can map MS you could map anything to the same degree and then practice makes perfect of course.
Im not as enthusaistic about it as some because it involves alot of reading which i naturally shy away from, other then that i cant wait
I don't want to pull your post to pieces mate, so I wont - but ultimately, it's not widespread purely because nobody decent maps it. Dr Evil, without taking anything away from what he's done for this club, is not the person who has revolutionised Punto tuning or brought the MS system out of the darkness. It's been around for quite a while, and has been used a few times in Europe. It's not new technology, and it's not something that will take off either, there's too much better competition - for that reason, I wont be investing today, therefore, I'm out.Originally Posted by jimn
I'm quite happy to be proven wrong by Adi once he's got his car mapped and RR'd - with his spec he should be making 230-240hp - I'll have a punt @ 215-220hp tops, which is the very top end of SEB4 capability.
If you have any car care related questions, ask me in the Cleaning/Detailing section.
hold on... in regards to the previous argument about no point on seb 2 didnt birdraceruk prove that it was indeed worth while by getting 187bhp on a VL7. or was it on an MD103?
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Arden GT2 Project:http://www.puntosports.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=91148
Project Reshell and perfect:http://puntosports.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=110197
sorry just seen its a TT stage 1, my bad. ill keep out of it...
Smooth Silver GT conversion Project: http://www.puntosports.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=72046
Arden GT2 Project:http://www.puntosports.co.uk/forums/...ad.php?t=91148
Project Reshell and perfect:http://puntosports.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=110197
yeah, shutit fatty and piss off to OzOriginally Posted by danmotty
With no forged internals / stock cam / and stock head? Abit high maybe?Originally Posted by Debo
Adi